Margus Meigo
& bdw, how are you doing? :)
24 June 2010 18:45
Margus Meigo
Hello : ))
You are most informative person from Czechia i know so i will bomb you whit a lot of questions again.
Hey my girl and i was thinking to hitch-hike in europe (up to 2 weeks) so we was thinking that Czech would be perfect location.
(or if i happen to have some finances problems as i still have right now minus -35k czk :P then my gf and her friend girl - single and open minded will replace me :)
Are you there whit in Czech whit 2-3 weeks and what aria was you living more exactly?
How cheap can we get eaten there per day for 2 (not restaurant food but cheap food)?
Will there be places near by you where we can put tent or any other naturally nice places you can recommend that are reachable?
Any party's coming up after Mysterium and before Funny Moon Festival ?
Some county's/roads hitch-hikeng is not allowed.. is it okey in Czech? Do you happen to know what would be best roads to use for hicking there (& city center i would want to see also)?
The public transportation or the normal bus/train is not to expensive there (about 200-250 czk per 200km and 25czk is one time city centre ticket with any transport here )?
this is our current route what we think is shortest but we not so sore its the best for hichhicking (as i sayd maybe some roads one cant hitchhike as it was in germany when we got picked up by police 2 times :P )
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Toompuiestee&daddr=Route+4%2FE67+to:A7%2FE67+to:A8%2FE67+to:Route+7%2FE77+to:S11+to:Route+294+to:Veletr%C5%BEn%C3%AD&hl=en&geocode=FQjiigMdbGl5AQ%3BFXZ6dQMd0uh1AQ%3BFfhcYQMd4PxxAQ%3BFU56TQMdMjhxAQ%3BFar_JQMd1io1AQ%3BFWplFAMdlF8QAQ%3BFWQLBgMdqAbsAA%3BFbR5_AIduBrcAA&mra=ls&via=1,2,3,4,5,6&sll=54.9334,19.600495&sspn=11.606987,39.506836&ie=UTF8&ll=54.775346,19.599609&spn=11.65045,39.506836&z=5
Thank you for all/any help you can provide :))
You are most informative person from Czechia i know so i will bomb you whit a lot of questions again.
Hey my girl and i was thinking to hitch-hike in europe (up to 2 weeks) so we was thinking that Czech would be perfect location.
(or if i happen to have some finances problems as i still have right now minus -35k czk :P then my gf and her friend girl - single and open minded will replace me :)
Are you there whit in Czech whit 2-3 weeks and what aria was you living more exactly?
How cheap can we get eaten there per day for 2 (not restaurant food but cheap food)?
Will there be places near by you where we can put tent or any other naturally nice places you can recommend that are reachable?
Any party's coming up after Mysterium and before Funny Moon Festival ?
Some county's/roads hitch-hikeng is not allowed.. is it okey in Czech? Do you happen to know what would be best roads to use for hicking there (& city center i would want to see also)?
The public transportation or the normal bus/train is not to expensive there (about 200-250 czk per 200km and 25czk is one time city centre ticket with any transport here )?
this is our current route what we think is shortest but we not so sore its the best for hichhicking (as i sayd maybe some roads one cant hitchhike as it was in germany when we got picked up by police 2 times :P )
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Toompuiestee&daddr=Route+4%2FE67+to:A7%2FE67+to:A8%2FE67+to:Route+7%2FE77+to:S11+to:Route+294+to:Veletr%C5%BEn%C3%AD&hl=en&geocode=FQjiigMdbGl5AQ%3BFXZ6dQMd0uh1AQ%3BFfhcYQMd4PxxAQ%3BFU56TQMdMjhxAQ%3BFar_JQMd1io1AQ%3BFWplFAMdlF8QAQ%3BFWQLBgMdqAbsAA%3BFbR5_AIduBrcAA&mra=ls&via=1,2,3,4,5,6&sll=54.9334,19.600495&sspn=11.606987,39.506836&ie=UTF8&ll=54.775346,19.599609&spn=11.65045,39.506836&z=5
Thank you for all/any help you can provide :))
24 June 2010 18:44
Jáchym
Hm, the article on wikipedia is erroneous too. - As I said, it's a really common error.
but theese 3 articles you posted links to are OK. :) The first is one is probably the most accurate.
"So and the "In the Czech Republic, 87 percent of successful prosecutions are tied to cases involving drug sales or production, and only 13 percent are related to possession, according to the NPC." would change also probably after they can just easily make a fine ?" - well, they can fine you as easily as before :) But in reality, most policemen used to more or less ignore people taking drugs. However, their boss didn't like this and stated that from now they MUST fine anyone who they see smoking a joint etc. But yes, due to this, theese numbers may change now. But maybe it's only an meaningless meance...
but theese 3 articles you posted links to are OK. :) The first is one is probably the most accurate.
"So and the "In the Czech Republic, 87 percent of successful prosecutions are tied to cases involving drug sales or production, and only 13 percent are related to possession, according to the NPC." would change also probably after they can just easily make a fine ?" - well, they can fine you as easily as before :) But in reality, most policemen used to more or less ignore people taking drugs. However, their boss didn't like this and stated that from now they MUST fine anyone who they see smoking a joint etc. But yes, due to this, theese numbers may change now. But maybe it's only an meaningless meance...
23 April 2010 19:33
Margus Meigo
Well i see :)
I think i will need to repost some better articles to EroWid page as the article here: http://www.praguepost.com/news/3194-new-drug-guidelines-are-europes-most-liberal.html (that i think was posted before) might give a little bit wrong idea of real situation.
I noticed that the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization article is also based on this, as they say: "These amounts are higher (often many times) than in any other European country, making the Czech Republic the most liberal country in the world when it comes to drug liberalization"
- but is it really more liberal from Portugal after their decriminalization?
If you have time you might want to take a time to add some additional info to wikipedia article as it is with a bit wrong sound for many specially after one might get 500 euro fine for a joint lol.
Anyway, here is 2 articles i found that might reflect more reallty, if you have time can you please take look at them?
Czech Drug Laws: Interpreting the new rules on drug possessio
http://www.expats.cz/prague/article/czech-culture/czech-drug-laws/
New Czech Drug Law Fuels Cannabis Confusion
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/04/new_czech_drug_law_fuels_cannabis_confusion.php
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Changes in the Czech drug-related legislation (2010)
http://www.drogy-info.cz/index.php/english/changes_in_the_czech_drug_related_legislation_2010
I thought repost them + some other info from you to make Czech situation a bit more clear. Your addtional comments under the post is always welcomed.
So and the "In the Czech Republic, 87 percent of successful prosecutions are tied to cases involving drug sales or production, and only 13 percent are related to possession, according to the NPC." would change also probably after they can just easily make a fine ?
I think i will need to repost some better articles to EroWid page as the article here: http://www.praguepost.com/news/3194-new-drug-guidelines-are-europes-most-liberal.html (that i think was posted before) might give a little bit wrong idea of real situation.
I noticed that the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_liberalization article is also based on this, as they say: "These amounts are higher (often many times) than in any other European country, making the Czech Republic the most liberal country in the world when it comes to drug liberalization"
- but is it really more liberal from Portugal after their decriminalization?
If you have time you might want to take a time to add some additional info to wikipedia article as it is with a bit wrong sound for many specially after one might get 500 euro fine for a joint lol.
Anyway, here is 2 articles i found that might reflect more reallty, if you have time can you please take look at them?
Czech Drug Laws: Interpreting the new rules on drug possessio
http://www.expats.cz/prague/article/czech-culture/czech-drug-laws/
New Czech Drug Law Fuels Cannabis Confusion
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2010/04/new_czech_drug_law_fuels_cannabis_confusion.php
+
Changes in the Czech drug-related legislation (2010)
http://www.drogy-info.cz/index.php/english/changes_in_the_czech_drug_related_legislation_2010
I thought repost them + some other info from you to make Czech situation a bit more clear. Your addtional comments under the post is always welcomed.
So and the "In the Czech Republic, 87 percent of successful prosecutions are tied to cases involving drug sales or production, and only 13 percent are related to possession, according to the NPC." would change also probably after they can just easily make a fine ?
23 April 2010 18:41
Jáchym
No, no, drugs were never decriminalised in Czech Republic. The limit of 20g means: posession of 20g or less > you are only fined; posession of more than 20g: you go to jail. This was commonly misinterpretted, especially by foreign media, that it is now legal to possess 20g - but it is not true!! The new law only states what "small amount of drug" is (20g, in case of marijuana) - formerly it was undefined and a judge had to decide on his own if the amount was small and the person should go to jail or only be fined.
@ tripping: Posession of drugs is illegal, but consumption is not. Holding a joint is considered as possessing a drug, but tripping is not. It doesn't make much sense, but I believe that when police finds you tripping (or high) here, the worst thing that can happen is a bad-trip. However, you have a problem if there are some shrooms left in your pocket... ( =posession of illegal drugs)
Most of the public, even people who don't use drugs, think, that Jakub Frydrych is a dumbass.
@ tripping: Posession of drugs is illegal, but consumption is not. Holding a joint is considered as possessing a drug, but tripping is not. It doesn't make much sense, but I believe that when police finds you tripping (or high) here, the worst thing that can happen is a bad-trip. However, you have a problem if there are some shrooms left in your pocket... ( =posession of illegal drugs)
Most of the public, even people who don't use drugs, think, that Jakub Frydrych is a dumbass.
23 April 2010 16:58
Margus Meigo
Thank you for update!
590€ ???
Are they lost their mind ??? How will this work in relation with their law change in start of the year that you can have 20 grams of marijuana?
What if they find you tripping on mushrooms or other similar drugs ?
How public is reacting to this ?
590€ ???
Are they lost their mind ??? How will this work in relation with their law change in start of the year that you can have 20 grams of marijuana?
What if they find you tripping on mushrooms or other similar drugs ?
How public is reacting to this ?
23 April 2010 16:27
Jáchym
hello, just some recent news about drug situation in czech rep.
1) Jakub Frydrych, the boss of anti-drug police department, announced that police will be now much less tolerant to drug abuse in public - until now, smoking a joint, for example, was usually overlooked by police officers, but now it should be fined strictly (up to 15000CZK = 590€)
2) A study shows, that 45% of czech 16-years-old students have used cannabis drugs at least once. 45% is one of the biggest numbers in Europe.
1) Jakub Frydrych, the boss of anti-drug police department, announced that police will be now much less tolerant to drug abuse in public - until now, smoking a joint, for example, was usually overlooked by police officers, but now it should be fined strictly (up to 15000CZK = 590€)
2) A study shows, that 45% of czech 16-years-old students have used cannabis drugs at least once. 45% is one of the biggest numbers in Europe.
23 April 2010 16:23
Jáchym
The average prices in Prague are:
Marijuana: 200CZK/gram (generally high quality)
LSD: 200CZK/hit (about 50mcg)
Ecstasy: 100CZK/pill (difficult to get some good - also very often mixed with or replaced by other amphetamines)
Beer: ~20CZK, Vodka: ~100CZK
Shrooms: 0-100CZK/gram (people often give them for free or very low prices)
1EUR=~ 26CZK
I'm not sure about the prices of other drugs because I don't use/buy them :)
Here too, most of young people follow the false propaganda - but not in the case of marijuana. So many people smoke it, that the non-smokers can see that it's not really problematic :) however, they are still scared by other illegal drugs.
There is a really good situation about AIDS/needles as the addicts are allowed to change their old needles for new ones at no cost, so it's not fortunately a big issue here. Another positive fact is, that cops don't tend to bust many drug users - they bust more dealers, smugglers and producers.
Psychedelic parties - that sounds interesting - what exactly it is? As far as I know there are only few psytrance raves in summer, that could possibly be called a 'psychedelic party' in Czechia.
Well, I suppose the situation is generally better here in Czechia then Estonia :) I wish you more luck.
Marijuana: 200CZK/gram (generally high quality)
LSD: 200CZK/hit (about 50mcg)
Ecstasy: 100CZK/pill (difficult to get some good - also very often mixed with or replaced by other amphetamines)
Beer: ~20CZK, Vodka: ~100CZK
Shrooms: 0-100CZK/gram (people often give them for free or very low prices)
1EUR=~ 26CZK
I'm not sure about the prices of other drugs because I don't use/buy them :)
Here too, most of young people follow the false propaganda - but not in the case of marijuana. So many people smoke it, that the non-smokers can see that it's not really problematic :) however, they are still scared by other illegal drugs.
There is a really good situation about AIDS/needles as the addicts are allowed to change their old needles for new ones at no cost, so it's not fortunately a big issue here. Another positive fact is, that cops don't tend to bust many drug users - they bust more dealers, smugglers and producers.
Psychedelic parties - that sounds interesting - what exactly it is? As far as I know there are only few psytrance raves in summer, that could possibly be called a 'psychedelic party' in Czechia.
Well, I suppose the situation is generally better here in Czechia then Estonia :) I wish you more luck.
29 December 2009 22:18
Margus Meigo
Thank you so much for all that info!
I can tell you that your country drug culture is so different from Estonians (well, as it is different from most others). Only similarity is Methamphtamine - i think we are one of the first ones in EU for abusing it. Also needles in russian community is huge problem and from that comes AIDS... to many kids still try inhalants..
Average Marijuana is to expensive - costs like 20+ Euros per G, compared to bodel of vodka 2.5-3 euros (we have one of the lowest salaries in EU. ) and many people still believe Mari to be harmful addictive drug - right there whit all hard drugs.
- but situation is changing whit every year thanks to internet, different cannabis communitys and many psychedelic parties that we see more and more often now. Only sad thing is most of them will smoke it whit cigarette because otherwise it is "to strong or harmful" ...
Many youth here, thanks for continues false drug propaganda (that is based on USA model i think) is believing alcohol is heltfy and harmless alternative for any drug (this might be one of the reasons we are also on the top of alcohol abuse). Mushrooms is really exotic and most is afraid for that (we have only one kind crowing here), LSD is virtually impossible to find from here (price same as mushrooms - 20 euros per stamp but i heard one sometimes needs 3-4 of these so it would work) and all drug dealers make really surprised/scared face if you ask something like that. Me & my friends have been failed to find anyone who would actually have access for good LSD in here.
Many so called dealers i have met do even not know what MDMA is. No wonder about 85% of times u will get most-likely amphetamine or some home chemicals ONLY if you buy Ecstasy (it's named differently here)... this is the situation here in short. Is that sad or is that sad? Specially for people i like to believe should be generally more intelligent then average European
I can tell you that your country drug culture is so different from Estonians (well, as it is different from most others). Only similarity is Methamphtamine - i think we are one of the first ones in EU for abusing it. Also needles in russian community is huge problem and from that comes AIDS... to many kids still try inhalants..
Average Marijuana is to expensive - costs like 20+ Euros per G, compared to bodel of vodka 2.5-3 euros (we have one of the lowest salaries in EU. ) and many people still believe Mari to be harmful addictive drug - right there whit all hard drugs.
- but situation is changing whit every year thanks to internet, different cannabis communitys and many psychedelic parties that we see more and more often now. Only sad thing is most of them will smoke it whit cigarette because otherwise it is "to strong or harmful" ...
Many youth here, thanks for continues false drug propaganda (that is based on USA model i think) is believing alcohol is heltfy and harmless alternative for any drug (this might be one of the reasons we are also on the top of alcohol abuse). Mushrooms is really exotic and most is afraid for that (we have only one kind crowing here), LSD is virtually impossible to find from here (price same as mushrooms - 20 euros per stamp but i heard one sometimes needs 3-4 of these so it would work) and all drug dealers make really surprised/scared face if you ask something like that. Me & my friends have been failed to find anyone who would actually have access for good LSD in here.
Many so called dealers i have met do even not know what MDMA is. No wonder about 85% of times u will get most-likely amphetamine or some home chemicals ONLY if you buy Ecstasy (it's named differently here)... this is the situation here in short. Is that sad or is that sad? Specially for people i like to believe should be generally more intelligent then average European
29 December 2009 21:25
Jáchym
I don't know much about drug culture here. Marijuana is #1 illegal drug here - here are relatively big number of marijuana smokers compared to other European country. Among most young people, marijuana is tolerated much like alcohol is. Magic mushrooms are also very popular, because many wild shrooms grow here - 9% of czechs admited mushroom experience. Methamphetamine is definitely the most problematic drug, here are much more problems and causes with meth than with opiates. LSD, ecstasy, cocaine, opiates & hashish are all also quite easy to get.
29 December 2009 19:47
Jáchym
oops I made a mistake - the maximum imprisonment punishment for growing is half - max 6 months for growing larger-than-small amount of cannabis and 12 months other plants. The maximum fine for growing small amounts is the same - 15000CZK
29 December 2009 19:01
Jáchym
So basic info for drug users in Czechia:
- unauthorized possession of banned drugs is always punishable and illegal.
- possession of small amounts = fine up to 15000CZK (~850$)
- possession of larger than small amounts = imprisonment up to 1 year (cannabis drugs) or up to 2 years (any other illegal drug)
- the same applies for growing illegal plants/mushrooms. What happens if you have small amount of plants currently producing larger than small of drug is ambiguous. (For example one plant of cannabis producing more than 15grams of marijuana.)
- the current government can specify what is considered a "small amount" and what plants are considered psychotropic and therefore illegal to grow. A plant containing an illegal substance is not necessarily illegal too. (growing poppy for example is legal if reported)
There are also two important verdicts of the supreme court about drugs:
- unlisted psychotropic substances (like Salvia divinorum) are illegal to sell if intended for consumption. But what is considered unlisted psychotropic substance is uncertain.
- it is not a crime to grow cannabis for medicinal purposes (however, lower courts as well as police seem to ignore this verdict in practice)
- unauthorized possession of banned drugs is always punishable and illegal.
- possession of small amounts = fine up to 15000CZK (~850$)
- possession of larger than small amounts = imprisonment up to 1 year (cannabis drugs) or up to 2 years (any other illegal drug)
- the same applies for growing illegal plants/mushrooms. What happens if you have small amount of plants currently producing larger than small of drug is ambiguous. (For example one plant of cannabis producing more than 15grams of marijuana.)
- the current government can specify what is considered a "small amount" and what plants are considered psychotropic and therefore illegal to grow. A plant containing an illegal substance is not necessarily illegal too. (growing poppy for example is legal if reported)
There are also two important verdicts of the supreme court about drugs:
- unlisted psychotropic substances (like Salvia divinorum) are illegal to sell if intended for consumption. But what is considered unlisted psychotropic substance is uncertain.
- it is not a crime to grow cannabis for medicinal purposes (however, lower courts as well as police seem to ignore this verdict in practice)
29 December 2009 00:36
Margus Meigo
Thank you so much! :)
28 December 2009 16:26
Jáchym
I am not a lawyer, but I can try to put together some info :)
28 December 2009 12:23
Margus Meigo
Hello, i am from EroWid page, i just was wondering if you care to share some educative information about your local laws and drug culture?
28 December 2009 05:27